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[protd]

well its good to see alot of different veiws on the subject.. the blue camaro from ingham is my mates car (he and his brother painted my cortina) and his brother criss owns the purple xy ute and they are tough cars.. please people dont bag people out for there choice (i'm useally the first to do it) as i'm really interested in finding out what people see in these ricer style of car and swapping info on this subject as the 4 banger car guys and the v8 guys really dont know why we like the cars we do..

to me most guys that drive these little cars wear there hat backwards put as many stickers on the car as possible, biggest muffler you can find at autobarn etc looks like they shop for there car parts at overflow..
surely these are'nt the only things that these cars are about and i'd like to genuinly here what it about..

[RH9]

protd, on Aug 21 2006, 07:14 AM, said:

to me most guys that drive these little cars wear there hat backwards put as many stickers on the car as possible, biggest muffler you can find at autobarn etc looks like they shop for there car parts at overflow..
surely these are'nt the only things that these cars are about and i'd like to genuinly here what it about..

wow you need a good lesson in importology(is that a word? if not it is now)

most of the blokes i know that drive someone decent turbo 4's and 6's are quite the oppisite to the people who were their hat the wrong way and definately dont like stickers, stickers are for the tool box not the car!!! as for the big muffler thing, majority of the brand name cat back exhausts you can buy for the turbo imports are 3inch which is most suitable size for a turbo and they generaly come with a big blingy cannon

[protd]

well as i siad i do not understand these cars but when you drive around what i described is what you see i'm yet to see any different..

thats why i have asked for people to describe there reasoning for what they interprate as a tough car

could you just take the chrome shit pipe of and have a 3" pipe out the back

[RH9]

i consider anything tough that runs good times makes respectable HP and is quick on the street and on the strip, as long as they are rego'd regardless if they are mildly modded or absolutely stupidily modded abit like GTR700 capability to rev to 13500rpm and making over 1000kw out of an 2.7 litre straight 6 now that is insane!!! its a pitty its not street rego'd anymore take a look at the ex vi termini site they have quite a few tough respectable imports on there.. some pictures some video's and also have a look at the croyden racing website http://www.croydonra...velopments.com/ they have build some very very tough skylines.. quite a few that run 9second 1/4mile passes on street tyres

one car that i also consider very tough is two.6l the silver r32 gtr that runs 10.30's at 132? mph i think

they are tryin to be the first GTR in aus to brake into the 9second bracket using bolt on low mount turbo's and street legal tyres

all out of wat looks like a standard gtr to the average eye

Edited by RH9, 21 August 2006 - 07:57 AM.

[protd]

ok fair enough, i really dont car if a cars rego'd or not for a few reasons.
this is the reason i dont have mine rego'd
1)almost 800 a year to drive it once a month i just dont get the time to drive anymore than that..
2)fuel i run c16 cant pull in a servo and get it
3)the police if they hear a 670+ v8 running your going to get pulled over
shit the list can go on but i understand that a turbo car can makes heaps of economical power, but when your to push over 600 hp out of a 2 ltr engine is it still reliable or are thes cars granades waiting to go off.. you see them on a dyno or a dragstrip 1 or 2 times then you dont see them again is this because the owner has got to there goal or has the car shit itself, i have never seen an import in townville do a whole season, are the guys that own them really concerned about drag racing..

whan i say economical i'm talking rego fuel etc as i'm aware of the cost in building these things

[RH9]

protd, on Aug 21 2006, 08:04 AM, said:

ok fair enough, i really dont car if a cars rego'd or not for a few reasons.
this is the reason i dont have mine rego'd
1)almost 800 a year to drive it once a month i just dont get the time to drive anymore than that..
2)fuel i run c16 cant pull in a servo and get it
3)the police if they hear a 670+ v8 running your going to get pulled over
shit the list can go on but i understand that a turbo car can makes heaps of economical power, but when your to push over 600 hp out of a 2 ltr engine is it still reliable or are thes cars granades waiting to go off.. you see them on a dyno or a dragstrip 1 or 2 times then you dont see them again is this because the owner has got to there goal or has the car shit itself, i have never seen an import in townville do a whole season, are the guys that own them really concerned about drag racing..

whan i say economical i'm talking rego fuel etc as i'm aware of the cost in building these things

some are grenades waiting to go off and some are as reliable as you can get its all in the tune if its slightly off kaboom with to much timing or not enough fuel i imagine its quite the same with any type of v8 pulling big hp

didnt know townsville actualy do the season racing.. wats the go with that points n wat not? i may be interested in this prizes?

[protd]

townsville do a points thing (well a couple of years ago anyway) is obviously not andra but is there own compitition what gets added together (major meets only) and is annouced at the end of the year not sure on prizes i'v not had much to do with townsville for a few years but i'm starting again next year..

as for v8 year some are on edge with the tune but once it right thats pretty much it, with these turboed cars i'd think theres alot more varieables

[kimbyann]

here are a couple i think are tough
all are cars from around nth qld

[NJA82]

The fact is that a Big V8 SHOULD be making 600HP plus all the time in every car considering the cubic inches they have. "MOST" mild 4 cylinder turbos make 300HP~ from only 2 litres.... with a small turbo charger to and pretty limited engine mods and stock internals. How much do "MOST V8`s" make? And people call 4 cylinders underpowered? Not for the cubic inches they have... actually i would consider them overpowered for a 2 litre engine... i know some modded V8`s that only can manage 400~HP out of 5.7 litres.... what a joke....

As for the hat the wrong way and sticker crap and big bling exhaust... mate i think you need to actually spend a day with the QSS import drivers, i would consider most of us hardcore performance nuts, some of us have a whole different set of skills when it comes to performance cars. We might have different likings as to engine preference but we still think along the same lines. Thats all we live for, none of this rice crap to be mentioned either please BTW. I wouldnt consider the turbo cars we drive to be "rice" Rice is a term given to N/A 4 cylinders such as modified civic`s etc. not Silvias and WRX`s and the like. That really annoys me when people use that term on a performance site.... thats just stirring, Now this is just purely my opinion, not the opinion of QSS.

By no means am i calling a 4 cylinder tough... to be honest i am not a fan of owning a TOUGH car myself, as tough cars are known to not handle, have poor brakes, be very heavy and stupidly loud... this is all the things i built my car not to be so each to his own.... Still love the looks and sounds of a tough V8 for show purpose only, for anything else they are a bit to much and draw to much cop attention as you said about your car.

Sorry dont mean to sound harsh but it seems like the way you are using your words you are critisising a little on anyone that likes imports. We are not about that on here, QSS is for all cars and all types of drivers.

To the guy that posted up the info on GTR700.... One word somes that thing up: INCREDIBLE!

Mario certainly has set a standard with that thing.

Edited by S14 200SX, 21 August 2006 - 08:34 AM.

[KRB 88]

Graham, on Aug 20 2006, 11:43 PM, said:

further to my last. i reckon a tough car must not be a "bogan" car. but thats just me. ie something that isnt a new/mass produced new car.

vl to now for holden
ea to now for ford

old cars really

wtf... Think ur definition of Bogan SUCKS

[RH9]

i'd almost consider myself an import bogan however i have a finer taste than winnie blues and vb, i much prefer the jack daniels

[Sivart]

S14 200SX, on Aug 21 2006, 08:27 AM, said:

Tnone of this rice crap to be mentioned either please BTW. I wouldnt consider the turbo cars we drive to be "rice" Rice is a term given to N/A 4 cylinders such as modified civic`s etc. not Silvias and WRX`s and the like. That really annoys me when people use that term on a performance site

Thats where opinions are different, you'll find "most" of the guys who dont drive "import" style cars will call any/all of the small, 4cyl, 6cyl, turbo, 600hp or not cars RICE including silvias, WRX's, skylines. IMO the RICE term has labeled those cars due to their background and following.

A tough car to me could be anything from a Custom rod, Muscle car to modified passenger car (something like PROTD's corty to a commodore.)
2 models that are in a real grey area for me are VL turbos and Falcon turbos... their not rice but not really that tuff too me. (even tho can be modified to produce impressive numbers) So I think numbers arn't what categorises a car/model into "tuff" class to me, Its more about your personal opinions thats makes a car have the WOW.

Thats my 2cents, Flame away.

[RH9]

couldnt agree more siv

[pyro]

the Legendary White Supra in America ( ) makes ~1520rwkw on a 3.4L (0.4L stroked) single turbo engine and looks almost dead stock. that's a power to weight of nearly 1:1 (kw:kg).

i love my sleepers (yes, a mk4 supra can be a sleeper when it puts out 1314rwkw more than stock) and to me, that's farking tough the bloke that built it sold the engine and is building another one

[SiKnEsS]

S14 200SX, on Aug 21 2006, 08:27 AM, said:

The fact is that a Big V8 SHOULD be making 600HP plus all the time in every car considering the cubic inches they have. "MOST" mild 4 cylinder turbos make 300HP~ from only 2 litres.... with a small turbo charger to and pretty limited engine mods and stock internals. How much do "MOST V8`s" make? And people call 4 cylinders underpowered? Not for the cubic inches they have... actually i would consider them overpowered for a 2 litre engine... i know some modded V8`s that only can manage 400~HP out of 5.7 litres.... what a joke....

But look at the torque difference between a four and an 8, id like to see a 4 come close with torque of a v8, and yeah 400hp is a joke out of a 5.7,, considering ive had 470 out of a 5 litre in a speedway car, most people dont know wat they r doin wen it comes to getting performance out of a v8, it aint as simple as bigger turbo and computers and so on,, but as everyone has said how do u define tuff,, its a personal preference, personally i luv v8's, i consider my hq tuff, and my lancer as my ricer family car, not just cause its n/a but because its jap made,, tuff v8's dont need a loud bov to get attention lol

[yagsissq]

S14 200SX, on Aug 20 2006, 08:27 PM, said:

The fact is that a Big V8 SHOULD be making 600HP plus all the time in every car considering the cubic inches they have. "MOST" mild 4 cylinder turbos make 300HP~ from only 2 litres.... with a small turbo charger to and pretty limited engine mods and stock internals. How much do "MOST V8`s" make? And people call 4 cylinders underpowered? Not for the cubic inches they have... actually i would consider them overpowered for a 2 litre engine... i know some modded V8`s that only can manage 400~HP out of 5.7 litres.... what a joke....

As for the hat the wrong way and sticker crap and big bling exhaust... mate i think you need to actually spend a day with the QSS import drivers, i would consider most of us hardcore performance nuts, some of us have a whole different set of skills when it comes to performance cars. We might have different likings as to engine preference but we still think along the same lines. Thats all we live for, none of this rice crap to be mentioned either please BTW. I wouldnt consider the turbo cars we drive to be "rice" Rice is a term given to N/A 4 cylinders such as modified civic`s etc. not Silvias and WRX`s and the like. That really annoys me when people use that term on a performance site.... thats just stirring, Now this is just purely my opinion, not the opinion of QSS.

By no means am i calling a 4 cylinder tough... to be honest i am not a fan of owning a TOUGH car myself, as tough cars are known to not handle, have poor brakes, be very heavy and stupidly loud... this is all the things i built my car not to be so each to his own.... Still love the looks and sounds of a tough V8 for show purpose only, for anything else they are a bit to much and draw to much cop attention as you said about your car.

Sorry dont mean to sound harsh but it seems like the way you are using your words you are critisising a little on anyone that likes imports. We are not about that on here, QSS is for all cars and all types of drivers.

To the guy that posted up the info on GTR700.... One word somes that thing up: INCREDIBLE!

Mario certainly has set a standard with that thing.

You obviously don't know very much about cars do you! While your car may be making over the 200HP at the wheels mark it'll be seriously lacking in torque - making it SLOW! For someone who professes to know a lot about cars and be a 'real car enthusiast' you have no idea what you're talking about. (Though I must say your car definitely looks the part)

A car must have torque in order to be respectable. silvias/200sx/180's/wrx's/evo's etc are all always going to have the same problem of never being able to have as much torque as a larger capacity motor. Larger capacity motors have the problem of making the torque but lacking the HP - unless they get forced induction - but then you have the problem of the weight as these big displacement engines add a lot to the front of the car and to make the car handle more weight needs to be put into the rear of the car because ideally you want an even split of weight distribution.

The ideal 'tough' car would be a mid size engine with forced induction - such as a porsche GT2... even the GTR's got to be OK as they progressed and made something that was reliable. (R34)

Japanese cars and the old school v8's are NOT prestige, performance or racing oriented and the only real purpose they serve is looking good.

There are no shortcuts if you want a performance car you have to spend the money.

Whether you're low tech or high tech, there aren't any real tough cars in QSS... you all should know this.

The demographic of a person who would be able to afford a truly 'tough' car would not be talking to the younger child audience of QSS.

[KRB 88]

Some really dont deserv to voice their opinion... Judging by this being ur first Post and ur already flaming a mod ur most likely a member that has been banned... Holding a grudge or something...

Edited by cheeky88, 21 August 2006 - 03:32 PM.

[Mel]

why thats the whole point of these threads

[DECEIT]

yagsissq, on Aug 21 2006, 02:57 PM, said:

You obviously don't know very much about cars do you! While your car may be making over the 200HP at the wheels mark it'll be seriously lacking in torque - making it SLOW! For someone who professes to know a lot about cars and be a 'real car enthusiast' you have no idea what you're talking about. (Though I must say your car definitely looks the part)

A car must have torque in order to be respectable. silvias/200sx/180's/wrx's/evo's etc are all always going to have the same problem of never being able to have as much torque as a larger capacity motor. Larger capacity motors have the problem of making the torque but lacking the HP - unless they get forced induction - but then you have the problem of the weight as these big displacement engines add a lot to the front of the car and to make the car handle more weight needs to be put into the rear of the car because ideally you want an even split of weight distribution.

The ideal 'tough' car would be a mid size engine with forced induction - such as a porsche GT2... even the GTR's got to be OK as they progressed and made something that was reliable. (R34)

Japanese cars and the old school v8's are NOT prestige, performance or racing oriented and the only real purpose they serve is looking good.

There are no shortcuts if you want a performance car you have to spend the money.

Whether you're low tech or high tech, there aren't any real tough cars in QSS... you all should know this.

The demographic of a person who would be able to afford a truly 'tough' car would not be talking to the younger child audience of QSS.

First post and paying out a mod. Off to a good start. Nicey nicey.

[Mel]

hahaha so true yagsissq