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[phantom]

well to the new guys , there has always been track rules, we have used the andra rule book, for a guide. in doing so we always have a copy of our track rules at bottom of tower. if not there just ask . ref the 20sec rule i go by. the two racers talk to each other before coming out to track, and tell each other what they plan to do, short skid long burnout etc;;;;;; i do not know what you have said it is between u two, on doing your thing you can sit in pre stage for the time you think is appproiate, the other driver or crew will see the light lit, it is the up to him to do the same, but if he does not. you have the right to light the stage light, 20sec then applies, if you snooze you lose. to get used to this u have to go to street meets for practice.. but as of taking matters in to your own by threatning the other racer with verbal abuse or worse this is a sign of bad sportmanship, both of you have to talk to a senior official about your problem,, if you dont one or both can be disqualified..... the person who you can talk to wear the fluro green shirts, or at head of staging ( the racemaster.. ) to all other racers, it was good to start the quality and number of vehicles.

Edited by phantom, 15 November 2006 - 12:37 PM.

[dragon]

read what you said, hey are you a official, seem to know a lot about drags, makes sense

[fenix]

what about the 20 sec rule at the head of staging lanes, and the one about starting under your own power.Maybe some of the rules should be put up here in this thread and anyone with question that are too afraid to ask can be answered here. Just a thought anyway.

[GAIJIN]

DUDE - WTF are you talking about??? is this in reference to KOTH?

[Peachey]

yes.. i saw an old guy that lost his race go up to the guy in the red lancer i think it was and abuse him and tell him to get f**ked... all cuz he lost.. its sad what ppl do when they loose and cant hack it... id love to hit up a guy like that... i was almost tempted to cuz of the way he was talking.. but i didnt know the situation so i did nothing.

Edited by Peachey, 15 November 2006 - 02:04 PM.

[tlk2vhand]

I for one think it might be a good idea to discuss some of the basic rules of racing here.

There have been so many new racers at street meets in the last few years and a lot will be looking to competing other events after the fun at KOTH. Most know that there are rules but finding out how and when they apply would be a great help. As well as the 20second rule already mentioned - there's the breakout rules (and doulbe breakout) and two cherries on the tree, other rules for disqualification and which ones have priority over others etc.

With so many experienced racers and officials on this site that can help out, it would be an ideal place to learn and - using the language we can understand - not the text book greek.

The purpose is not to discuss whether the rule is good or not - just how they might apply in some cases.

For an example - disqualified for "unsportsmanlike behaviour" a rule that I think every sport has.


Remember it is all to make you comfortable enough with the rules to race all meetings. Not just KOTH and street Meets

What are your thoughts?

[nqkjw]

tlk2vhand, on Nov 15 2006, 02:39 PM, said:

I for one think it might be a good idea to discuss some of the basic rules of racing here.

There have been so many new racers at street meets in the last few years and a lot will be looking to competing other events after the fun at KOTH. Most know that there are rules but finding out how and when they apply would be a great help. As well as the 20second rule already mentioned - there's the breakout rules (and doulbe breakout) and two cherries on the tree, other rules for disqualification and which ones have priority over others etc.

With so many experienced racers and officials on this site that can help out, it would be an ideal place to learn and - using the language we can understand - not the text book greek.

The purpose is not to discuss whether the rule is good or not - just how they might apply in some cases.

For an example - disqualified for "unsportsmanlike behaviour" a rule that I think every sport has.
Remember it is all to make you comfortable enough with the rules to race all meetings. Not just KOTH and street Meets

What are your thoughts?

Good idea

There's a section above called "Never been drag racing before?" or something like that.Could be a good place for the mods to move the dicussion to.

Pretty sure the 20sec rule was 1st introduced to prevent racers from heating up or plug fouling their opponents.Pretty sure this "stage before the other bloke is ready" is an unsportsmanlike byproduct of the rule.
Not saying 3zercrowd was unsportsmanlike on Sat night as it is quite clear he is new to organised dragracing and simply was not aware of how things are done.
FWIW I have often thought that these 4wd imports could (if they wanted to)use the 20sec rule to big advatange and Sat night's incident shows that yes,they can.What chance would a rear wheel drive car have on cold tyres?
Food for thought.

[WYT_GTR]

But what seems to be the point with this originating was that the person who got disqualified for 20 sec rule, was doing a really long burnout. Now even NHRA top fuellers and pro outlaws, they dont sit there for a good 20 seconds trying to show up how much smoke they can throw out. They get the wheels spinniing and adequate temperature into the tyres for the run ahead. From what I saw on the night, show ponying trying to pick up chicks or whatever the hell he was intending to do. You want to do a big burnout, save that shit for the Summernats or burnout comps, just warm up your tyres and get staged and prove your car when the light turns green.

[xdclevo]

nqkjw, on Nov 15 2006, 03:37 PM, said:

FWIW I have often thought that these 4wd imports could (if they wanted to)use the 20sec rule to big advatange and Sat night's incident shows that yes,they can.What chance would a rear wheel drive car have on cold tyres?
Food for thought.

I roll through the water box and skid for maybe 4 seconds and stop right at the staging lights, and no need to reverse or anything. I'll get there the same time as the 4wd guys do. And i won't be waiting minutes to overheat and foul plugs, rather get strait to the racing as thats what i'm there for.

[BPM]

As stated above (by PHANTOM the Starter at TD) "the 20sec rule" is an ANDRA rule, so if its not an ANDRA track, why run by there rules?? Sorta like reading a magazine at a newsagent & not paying for it! LOL.
IMO the sec rule seems to be a contradiction at TD anyway. It designed to stop BURN DOWNS, first & formost, something that doesnt happen here, & should be used with discression of the starter.
The condradiction is - that the starter is basically giving you an direction, WAIST TIME & YOU WILL BE FOWLED! Yet so much time is waisted between rounds at TD the rule shouldnt even be enforced, most vehicles are 1/2 way up the return rd before you are allowed in the burnout box.
Do you ever see WILD BUNCH cars get read lited at TD, they stuff around more than anyone, but the OLE street guy gets pounded again again. Maybe if TD speed up the racing like every other track) a little then you wouldnt get guys stuffing around, its a by product the way its run.
As for the big skids, it is & always will be one of the main reason people go, SIGHT,SOUND & SMELL, Imagine taking that away!?

[tlk2vhand]

well,well well - BPM you seem to be at it again.

Yes you would be aware of most of these rules - you used to break as many of them as many times as you thought you could get away with it - back when you thought you were a racer. But then you don't get to do any of the real stuff anymore.

Believe you were told quite a few years ago to take your unsportsman-like tactics somewhere else as TD wasn't going to put up with it anymore ..


Do have to agree with one comment - yes the spectators up here do like sedans doing big burnouts. We also like the great atmosphere at the TD over the past 6years or so

[nqkjw]

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But then you don't get to do any of the real stuff anymore.

That's not really a fair comment.
There's a lot more people than just drivers that contribute real stuff to a meeting.
You've got pit crews,sponsors,track staff,promotors/organisers,workshops,spectators and probably others which all play an integral part in the success of any meeting.

[3zercrowd]

nqkjw, on Nov 15 2006, 03:37 PM, said:

Good idea

There's a section above called "Never been drag racing before?" or something like that.Could be a good place for the mods to move the dicussion to.

Pretty sure the 20sec rule was 1st introduced to prevent racers from heating up or plug fouling their opponents.Pretty sure this "stage before the other bloke is ready" is an unsportsmanlike byproduct of the rule.
Not saying 3zercrowd was unsportsmanlike on Sat night as it is quite clear he is new to organised dragracing and simply was not aware of how things are done.
FWIW I have often thought that these 4wd imports could (if they wanted to)use the 20sec rule to big advatange and Sat night's incident shows that yes,they can.What chance would a rear wheel drive car have on cold tyres?
Food for thought.

Im sorry i just spent an hour posting a good reply and the server stuffed up and i lost everything i typed



#$%#@@#$$#!!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited by 3zercrowd, 15 November 2006 - 11:50 PM.

[protd]

i also agree about doing burnouts.. the bigger the better.. if a racer is willing to do a big smokey burnout then good its what will make the spectators return.. it would be quit a boring night if evryone just rolled through the box and only spun the wheels enough to clean the tyres.. i know massive burnout aint nessacery but the sound of 500 or more hp at 7500rpm on song not missing a beat, is there anything better..
i will be doing big smokey burnouts when i race i like to do it, its fun the croud enjoy it, i always just make sure the guy i'm racing knows i'm doing it and either they join in or just hang back for a few seconds it's really not that big of an issue really it's a rule that can be easily avoided just buy having a quick talk to the guy lined up beside you..

Edited by protd, 16 November 2006 - 06:00 AM.

[BPM]

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Believe you were told quite a few years ago to take your unsportsman-like tactics somewhere else as TD wasn't going to put up with it anymore ..

I call your BLUFF talk2myass
fill everyone in!!!!

the suspense must be killing them

[meanstreak racing team]

protd, on Nov 16 2006, 05:58 AM, said:

i also agree about doing burnouts.. the bigger the better.. if a racer is willing to do a big smokey burnout then good its what will make the spectators return.. it would be quit a boring night if evryone just rolled through the box and only spun the wheels enough to clean the tyres.. i know massive burnout aint nessacery but the sound of 500 or more hp at 7500rpm on song not missing a beat, is there anything better..
i will be doing big smokey burnouts when i race i like to do it, its fun the croud enjoy it, i always just make sure the guy i'm racing knows i'm doing it and either they join in or just hang back for a few seconds it's really not that big of an issue really it's a rule that can be easily avoided just buy having a quick talk to the guy lined up beside you..

Excellent post it is plain and simple and PROTD has hit the nail on the head, yes there are rules in place which we must abide by and yes people do like to see big burnouts and do them so as PROTD said all you have to is use your head "TALK TO THE GUY YOU ARE GOING TO RACE AGAINST", while you are in the stagging lanes and there won't be a problem, good sportsman like thing to do. I feel sorry for the guys who a new to sport and are getting bagged on this subject here this should be an education session not a bagging session, everyone has to learn sometime, so give them advise not grief and get back to what its all about good clean racing and FUN, grow up guys your not little kids with bags of marbles anymore................ As for BPM you stirrer there have to be some guidlines in place in any sport, you full well know that, and you also know TD is not the only track that doesn't race under ADNRA but as the others do they use the ANDRA Rules as a basis for their own track rules and guidelines, so instead of always putting crap on everyone and everything that the TD does try to do something constructive to help the sport not hinder it. The sport has gained alot of popularity in recent years as can be seen by the number of people attending street meets and the number of people building new purpose built race cars etc to race at TD etc so if you don't have anything worth contributing then don't; keep it to your self.

[dragon]

to bpm...( alias tony brinkley performance mechanical) i see that you are at it again, you used to race there , i say again used to. as phantom said,, they use the andra rule book as a guide only,, to make there own track and safety rules for the track,,, (SINCE DRAGWAY LEFT A.N.D.R.A.) people like yourself have been shitty and nasty, to the only place where you can go to race localy, other than that you have to travel to mackay. use your brain, have seen you at koth this year helping lucas charger, so when is your car coming out , going to mackay or here.. think about it

[sledgehammer]

BPM, on Nov 16 2006, 08:00 AM, said:

I call your BLUFF talk2myass
fill everyone in!!!!

the suspense must be killing them

Here that peeps, his brain is not in the same place as everyone elses, so direct all conversation to that region. Always thought he sat on his brain, now we have the proof, he said it himself. You call a bluff, but your all fluff.

[phantom]

3zercrowd, on Nov 15 2006, 11:48 AM, said:

Im sorry i just spent an hour posting a good reply and the server stuffed up and i lost everything i typed
#$%#@@#$$#!!!!!!!!!!!! hey did you get pm i sent you about koth

[Slo-31]

Rod just going back to your point about going to street meets to practise, i have been to several street meets and the problem with going to them is that when you are at a street meet the 20 sec does not get used. If someone in a 4wd car goes to a street meet and comes up against a RWD car the starter just waits till both cars are in stage, doesnt matter how long it takes, which i dare say is what happened at KOTH, Dane (i think that is his name) obviously thought that you would just wait till both cars were in full stage to throw the switch. But if he had known the rule my guess is he would have just gone into pre-stage and waited. So i think it still comes back to the racers needing to know the rules, and i believe it is there responsability to find them out.

And Just on another note, Mr Brinkly you are the man when it comes to a strong reliable engine. Haha and i know what your missus is getting you for christmas!!!!